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Post by bobjustbob on Feb 9, 2006 0:06:13 GMT -8
As the new Webmaster of the Nevada Old Timer website I feel it is necessary to have administrative rights to the "Bench Racing" board. I talked to Lon Harter tonight. Lon was the Secretary and the Webmaster for the Old Timers last year. He has suggested that I start over with a new board.
It will now be necessary to re-register and log in to post to the new "Bench Racing" board.
I have quoted Lon's post below.
Thank you for your understanding
Bob Fabel
I just got off the phone with Bob Fabel he has asked me for administrative rites to this board. No doubt you all have seen a great deal of changes to the Nevada Oldtimers web site. Bobby has taken over this site and has changed many things and I’m sure he has many more exciting things planed for their site. However this board is not hosted on the Oldtimers web site hence the name Vet Racing. I put this board up so that Oldtimers or anyone else could post here. I absolutely do not believe in censorship unless it is slanderous to some one or some one can’t be a man enough and post using his own name. Bobby told me that there are no offensive post here. But still he needs to have admin rites. I’m sorry but with my work schedule I have not had much time to read the post or ride my bike for that matter…….yes it still has the mud on it from the last Fernley race in the fall series.
I have told Bobby that the best way to get administrative rites to create his own board. The link has already been disabled. This will be a site for Vets and others to post about racing in Nevada and California. I had put hundreds of hours into the Oldtimers web site it would have been great for my Resume so…. You can expect something to show up here to take the place of it. Just don’t hold your breath as I am working around 60 hours a week and attending classes as well.
In short if you like this board then bookmark it the Oldtimers will most likely get their own race talk. Thank you for your patients and input.
Lon 102
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Post by mcody818 on Feb 10, 2006 23:18:50 GMT -8
Bob, I said I would not post anything on the other racetalk but since this is a new one here goes.
1. I have asked on numerous occassions as to why you guys will not support MxWestRacing and have never got an answer. I am not talking about offering NMXD a race during the Laretta Lynn in Honey Lake or during the last Supercross race in Las Vegas. I am talking about the Old Timers being loyal to the Association that has been here since the 20th century.
One simple question!
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Post by bobjustbob on Feb 11, 2006 1:11:02 GMT -8
Mark;
The Nevada Old Timers are made up of a of individual people that are free to make up their own minds regarding which associations, which tracks and which promoters we want to support. Many of us demonstrate our support or lack of support with our feet. If we like it, we will go. If there is a problem, whether it is a personal problem, a dislike for the race facility or something else, maybe we won’t go.
When the question of supporting the new Sierra Motocross group was brought up for a vote, at a meeting a few months ago, it was voted by an overwhelming majority to work with them. When you consider that 3 of the 4 groups that have been involved with MXWest have elected to leave and join another group, you might figure that there was a reason. But, I don’t think it was one reason. For all I know, everyone that voted to support SMRA has a different reason to leave MXWest.
You continue to bring up the issue of scheduling a proposed date, for NMXD in the Sierra series, as bad dates handed out in an effort to insure failure. At the time those dates were proposed, the schedule was in its planning stages. Since then there have been changes with the Sierra Schedule as well as the MXWest series schedule. If NMXD was serious about obtaining a date in the Sierra series and he did not want to run against Loretta Lynn or the Supercross in Las Vegas, that would have been negotiated. But, you must know that NMXD has never seriously been interested in working with this new group. So, the question of scheduling bad race dates for him is not really an issue.
If you had been paying attention, Mark, you would already know that the MXWest organization was started by the Nevada Old Timers and the Reno Over the Hill Gang. We held all of our races in Fernley. We started out small and as we started to grow the interest in motocross racing began to make a comeback, too. We were excited by our success and wanted to share that success with other tracks and promoters. We had thoughts and dreams of expanding to become as big or bigger that CMC or GFI and other organizations. Rob Hansen, a promoter in Carson before Ty, ran with us for a while. NMXD and Lovelock were added to the group. The relationship with Honey Lake did not develop as it should have.
There was some early discussion to “fix” MXWest. Some of the people on the Board of Directors do not acknowledge that there is a problem. I used to post questions to the MXWest board on the MXWestracing website. Many times I was greeted with insults, innuendos and name calling. If you had not deleted so many of those posts, you could go back to see what was said. Problems were not recognized. As an example, I asked about the rule to allow the 250F to compete in the 450F class. Layne wanted to know why I was “rocking the boat”. He would say that “everything is going along so smoothly”. Many questions were never answered. Well, I guess it wasn’t going as smoothly as he thought.
There are many more examples, Mark, but I really don’t want to get into a long drawn out post. Besides, I think you are just looking for an excuse to poke holes and cause problems like you have been doing in previous posts. Besides, all that is behind us. Now, it will just be a matter of running these race series and see how it goes.
The lines have been drawn and now it is a matter of letting the rider’s decide. I think they will make the right choice.
Bob Fabel
P.S. There really is not a difference between this board and the previous board that was run by Lon. Both of them are on the Nevada Old Timer website. If you won't post here, I won't post on the MXWest racing website.................deal? And it will save you a lot of time from deleting my posts.
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Post by iwanaride on Feb 11, 2006 8:07:53 GMT -8
WELL PUT BOB TO ALL THE SMRA SUPPORTERS KEEP UP ALL THE GOOD WORK
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Post by mcody818 on Feb 11, 2006 10:14:02 GMT -8
First of all Bob I want to make one thing clear. I don't delete post unless told or it is a personal attack on someone. Second, The moderators have delete privileges they are made of from the board and of course Kim. The bottom line! They own and control the site and I administer it.
Thank You Bob for your response. I am not trying to poke holes here. I was asking the question over and over in other posts and no one would answer. Thank You again for your response.
As far as posting on MxWest go for it. As far as posting here, I will respect your wishes and will not. Deal.......
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Post by Layne on Feb 11, 2006 10:39:42 GMT -8
Bob,
Ohhhhhh were do I start? Nobody is perfect and this isn’t a perfect world. Ya, I’ve shot off some stuff to you that isn’t very appropriate and you to have done the same, it does take two to tango. I also have tried very hard to answer you question/posts in a professional manor to. You have to admit it you have tried to rock the boat trying to get people to side with you on certain issues like the 250F having to race with 250 two-strokes or 250F’s in the 450 pro class and I do believe if you have gone other than OMTX events these issues would not have been issues with you. You would have seen or be able to asks questions in these regards. These issues are what the racing public is demanding; other racing associations have set this precedent, like GFI or CMC or AMA. I was at the last Anaheim race and Steve Whitelock was quoted say that the AMA made a mistake with their new names and will be returning to the 125 and 250 classes. Mxwest has always had an open meeting, but has required that you be put on an agenda, in which you have known that. If you felt some of the subjects were such issues why not either express it to your representative or come to a meeting. This way it could be handle in way that might have made all of us happy…
Layne
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Post by gusest on Feb 11, 2006 11:07:04 GMT -8
can we all just race. motocross is supose to be family its starting to feel like the hatfilleds & mccoys now i know why i take my boys to california. too many laynes and mcodys allways have to stir the pot. GET OVER IT i know that we all have
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Post by Ddub on Feb 11, 2006 12:17:58 GMT -8
gusest, I am unclear on why any posts by bobjustbob, mcody, layne, or other would have anything to do with YOUR decision to go to california to ride? (whoever you are anyway). As far as I know, no one is banned from racing in Northern Nevada, regardless their leanings in the current arguably political split in the race sanctioning arena. I personally do not desire to drive as far as tracks in California to race, so I choose not to go. That is not to say that I am prevented, just that I choose not to.
D-Dub
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Post by Layne on Feb 11, 2006 12:42:44 GMT -8
can we all just race. motocross is supose to be family its starting to feel like the hatfilleds & mccoys now i know why i take my boys to california. too many laynes and mcodys allways have to stir the pot. GET OVER IT i know that we all have Sorrryyy you feel that way......But we arent fighting just bench racing our views and thoughts.............Layne |
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Post by guest on Feb 11, 2006 18:50:56 GMT -8
Guest, I just want to remind you of why I still ask questions and are here being a pain as some may take it. I lost a great time of racing at the Fern because of what the promoters did (othg & otmx). I am not the only one that feels this way. Things could of been worked out with MxWestRacing but they chose not to try. Before the big vote came I posted this to the OTMX site because I could not make any of the OTGH and OTMX meetings to voice my opinion. I got no response to it from anyone. Their minds were already made up from all the pre-planning that went on. Yes, I am bitter! Oneraddad asked me if I would let my son race Fernley against his in a PM. I really respected the other things he said also. I told him I would not stop my son from racing Fernley what so ever. If my does then I will be there supporting him 110%. I showed my son what he wrote but he chose not to race for some of the same reasons and some that I did not know about until now.
Mx Racers are like a big family. They have their good days and their bad. They fight with each other like brothers and sisters. The biggest mistake here is when the brothers and sisters can not forgive and go their own ways. 20 years go by and they meet again and say what did we do? We are family! Friends will come and go but Family will always be there. OTHG, I don't agree with what you have done by trying to split the family but I hope you come to your senses before it is too late. OTMX you are the older and wiser ones! Be the example and keep the family together. PLEASE!
P.S. I made a deal with Bob that I would not post here anymore, but when my name is used I will post.
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Post by gregg86n on Feb 12, 2006 19:33:11 GMT -8
Oh Man, Here we go again. As a voting member, could somebody please try and convince me why I should support Mx West? Hangtown was great this weekend. Home by 5:30 went over to the track and allot of people were still there. Everybody I talked to said it was great with a big turnout. Congrats Sierra and othg good job! Before any of you guys start bagging on me let me tell you something. My son has three race schedules in front of him. He points, we go, its that simple.
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Post by Ddub on Feb 12, 2006 19:55:38 GMT -8
No need to "here we go again".
Sounds like your son has it figured out.
"Show up, ride, have fun....
Repeat as necessary"
No need for worm cans, politics, or anything but a pickup truck and some gas. No need to try and convince you of anything, is there.
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Post by gregg86n on Feb 12, 2006 20:10:47 GMT -8
Right on Dave!
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Post by Layne on Feb 12, 2006 20:16:57 GMT -8
I agree with Dave and Gil. I never understood, when did ever become such an issue who the sanctioning body was? Show up , practice, race, have a good time, gang with your friends, tell stories, go home repeat again the nexted weekend. And for god shakes leave the politic's at home!
I hate all this crap, I just want to race! Layne
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Post by gregg86n on Feb 12, 2006 20:34:35 GMT -8
Glad to see that your back Mark, Something came to me the other day, Now I know who you remind me of. Please try and take this in jest. When I was a kid, one of my favorite cartoons was called Tom Slick. He had a hot girlfriend named Penelope Pitstop.But no, you don't remind me of a girl. You remind me of the guy Tom Slick did battle with. Snidley Whiplash.
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