what has happend to OTMX nv chapter?

[bobjustbob]

Layne;

Your last post suggests that this thread has gotten out of control. I think it went out of control when you started the thread.

I recently checked the Nevada Old Timers club membership roster. Your name is not there. In the past you have made statements about how you don’t like our club and that you would never join and become a member. Now you have decided to stick your nose into our business and question our support of our International Old Timer series.

The members of our Nevada club joined for many different reasons. Support of the International series is one of them. There are members that are involved with a sanctioning body and they work to have rules and series for the sanctioning body membership. Some Nevada members are heavily involved with the mechanics of promoting local racing events. Some members enjoy camaraderie with others in the club. Some of us have children or grandchildren that prompt us to work for the advancement of MX racing in our area. There are probably more reasons and some people do it for a combination of reasons. There are some of our members that don’t race at all, but they are very important and we could not do without them. When people get older, their interests may change. Richard Thorwaldson was a Nevada Old Timer for many years and he was the president of our chapter, too. He became interested in Road Racing and that is where he spent his racing time.

Your father has been a member of the Nevada Old Timers for many years. He has limited his support of the club to participation in International race events. He doesn’t attend meetings. He doesn’t help at local race events. This is not a bad thing. We have always recognized that there are some members that are content to participate at only that level. You always tell everybody how much you do “behind the scenes”. It must be behind the scenes, because I have never seen you do anything. But I always hear about how hard you work. You spend hours on the computer posting on MXWest during your work hours. Almost 2300 posts, WOW!!

You say this is not about MXWest. I think that one of the reasons you have taken this cheap shot at our club is your displeasure with our club over our support of the new Sierra Motocross Racing Association. Your MXWest sanctioning body has endured a lot of controversy and change in the last months. Some of your own board members think that MXWest is a “club”. It may be a club to your new board, but it really is a sanctioning group and as such it is open to disagreement from the card carriers of that group.

You are not a Nevada Old Timer club member and you do not have that privilege. You have overstepped your bounds.

Most of the things you stated are inaccurate, some were lies and most of it was B.S. You reported on only one side of the story. I will never feel the need to answer to you. I passed your comments along to all the members of the Nevada club that have e-mail addresses. To be fair, there were a few points that contained a hint of truth. Your message may alert our club members to some of the perceptions that some close minded people may entertain. If we are able to improve our club, as a result, I would have to have someone thank-you for that.

We have known for a long time that everybody cannot be happy. We just do our best to make as many people happy as we can.

Please don’t take this post the wrong way. “I just think you have hidden agendas and something up your sleeve. That is your style.”


“When the whole world is wrong, you need to stop and look at yourself.” Richard Thorwaldson

Bob Fabel

[layne]

Bob, I would like to clear up any misconceptions. First and for most, I have no hidden agenda up my sleeve and out of anybody in the OTMX you should know if there is a problem with a person I go right to the source. Out of all the disagreements we have had over the years I have never ever had anything to hide or not say directly to your face and in the same you have been able to communicate back in much the same matter. We have always been forth coming and honest towards each other and I have never lied to you or anybody. I might not have 100% of my facts but that doesn’t mean I am a liar. Secondly it absolutely nothing to do with Mxwest or Sierra. Third it I might not have been perfectly correct or clear on exactly what happened between the club and certain people but I was just wondering what had happened and if there was any truth to what I was being told and you are correct I was only getting it from one side. I am not a member and yes I have stated that I wouldn’t join the OTMX club but I am getting closer to forty than I like to admit and things change, as well as views of what happening. Since I am not a member where do you go to find out if some of the stuff your hearing is true? This is why I posted it. As for all the time I have done lets see I was the VP for the OTHG for three years and wrote the newsletter for two and for the help at the races why don’t you check the help points I have had in the past, heck check last years. I have pick up plenty of trash at the Fern as well as drive the loader around and pick up hoses. But wait you weren’t going to the races for a while do to the fact of the remodeling of your house and there isn’t anything wrong with doing so, but it doesn’t mean I didn’t work at events. Now let talk about all the donations that I have gotten over the years that I have spent my lunch breaks, before work time and after work, writing letters, emails, faxing ect. I have never asked to be recognized for doing these things. It’s done because I enjoy it and nor would I trade it for anything in the world! But it’s funny as soon as you’re not helping as much as you use to, you hardly did anything in the past. You say you’ve never seen me do anything….thats not fair and maybe you should rethink that comment and is very unfair and not true. I agree with you 100% about not being able to make everybody happy and it hard to try and keep some of them happy all of the time. The quote I put is something Richard use to say all the time and you have to admit…it a cool one. If you stop and think how true it is. It’s been almost two years since his accident and passing.

In closing you are right, I may have overstepped my bounds and my post was out of control for that I am sorry, but there was no hidden meaning or agenda, I was just wondering what has happened. I would like to say SORRY to all I have offended in this post and I never meant any harm, I knew that some might take it wrong, but I thought others would understand what I was asking and for the people who took it wrong might get something good out of it. I also never realized that so many racing members are hurt and unable to race. To those members I am sorry….I know sorry doesn’t fix much but it’s a start.

Layne

[mcody]

Facts:
I asked some simple questions of the Reno Chapter OTMX officers through an email. I did not feel it needed to be on this BS bench racing board. Not one of you have responded to me. Is it because I am associated with MxWest? I think so.... Hidden adjenda as you have just told Layne. I sent the email to you guys because you are also a major part of the Sierra Chapter and the race was at your track. Layne had some very good points and all you had to do it answer them. I am sure he would of understood about everyone being hurt etc.... No that is not what happen. All you and the board members did is blow this thing right out of the water. I have been very positive in everything I do and post for the last 2 months trying to make things good for our riders and now you Bob have stepped over the line. Layne was expressing some concern in a post and if you can not see that then you need to step down and give up your role in the OTMX. WTF do you do Bob except stir up the pot? Your group is a very bitter bunch! As Jdal told me one time Bob, you are acting like a two year old! Grow up! WTF did Layne say that was so bad? you have 50 members and 6 show up to a race that the Sierra OTMX put on 1 hour away. That was not only unfair to them but the promoter at Honey Lake also. Yes, 6 were hurt! Wow that is so many so I guess we should just give up. What happen to the other 38 members! I know damm well they were not at the Lovelock race. I can not wait to see the results. Heck I even saw one of your officers at the Supercross race this weekend. Layne was at your OTMX race supporting his Dad instead of going to one of the most excitting races ever. If I was still a member of your club guess where I would of been? Go figure! Bob did you race the OTMX this weekend "Bob all mighty"? Lets see... We have Larry (from Caifornia), Christina, Rick Lloyd, Laynes Dad, Mike. That is 5 of 6. Who was the 6th person? Was it you Bob or was it the bitter Gil?

I will continue to better the sport of motocross by promoting good will and working together for the riders. That includes working with the Sierra Chapter for scheduling. I will still race the Sierra race at the Fern when the OTMX puts on their usual no jump speedway race!

Go ahead now attack me with your little clan...

P.S. Please respond to my email! Here it is! I tried to do it the politcal way and got no resolve!

Email sent over 24 hours ago! They had time to post BS but could not give me the time of day! K.M.A.!

This is in no way a complaint email. I am just wondering why because it caught me off guard at the last race. Lucky I had enough money.
I know there was talk about a standard fee between promoters. I agree with and disagree with this. The reason I disagree is that there are different amounts of cost from track to track. Some tracks are owned and some are not. Some tracks have higher cost and some don’t i.e. volunteers.

Can the following issue be addressed at your meeting tonight? I don’t believe the bench racing forum is a place for this.

Listing the prices of the races:

- The last Sierra race at Fern I paid 35 for the first moto and 25 for the second. I did not expect to pay the same amount as Honey Lake.

-Honey Lake was 35 and 25.

- Estreet was 35 and 20.

-MustangMx was 35 and 20.

-Lovelock was ? and ?.

- June 4th the Winnemucca Sierra race is 30 and 15 like the old days as per the flyer I got in the mail.

Can the prices of each race be posted on the Race Schedule? I am sure I was not the only one that was caught off guard. The only reason I am addressing the OTMX is because you are a major part of Sierra Mx.

Sorry I did not fill out the suggestion form at the track. By the time I was half way home is when I remembered.

Race Schedule:

This is a suggestion for scheduling of races! As a old guy I race three moto’s and love doing it. The last race I did not complain because I know how hard it is to please everyone with the race schedule. The suggestion I am making is that you don’t schedule the 25+ & 30+ beginners back to back since there are a lot of riders that race both those classes not to mention old guys like me that race 25, 30 & 40.. I also heard when I was taking myself out of the 25+ class that the 125cc bikes were schedule the race before the schoolboy. Since most of the 125cc riders are schoolboy, you may want to stagger them also. You may of switched it! ??

Thanks for your time,

Mark Cody

[Diamond Dave]

Just a note of clarification Bob, While the OTMX is a club with specific members, it is also a Promoter, putting on races for racers who are not club members. Some of those racers WILL wish to discuss Promoter issues at times.

[rlloyd36n]

I wasn't going to get involved in all this bickering and back bitting. I thought it was kind of rediculous. Than it dawned on me that Layne's original article (What happened to Nevada otmx), although some what inflammatory, is good for this club.

Now, I don't personnally know Layne Kolbert and I don't think I have ever met him. So I have no opinion one way or the other about him. But I think this article he wrote does have some truth to it. It struck a nerve in all of us. That is why you are all being so defensive.

I think his letter is drawing us closer together and uniting us. I think it will make us stronger in the future.

Maybe Layne does have a hidden agenda. Maybe he was thinking about joining the Old timers in a few years and was wondering what kind of club is it. Maybe he is smarter than you are giving him credit for. His article offended many of the currently active members and many of the facts were wrong. But if you apply the main jist of it to all the fringe members, it is kind of true. We could definitly use more involved members.

Layne, I don't personnally know you, but I want to thank you for your article and having the balls to put it out there. Democracy was fonded on a diversity of opinions, beliefs and back grounds.

Now I would like to respond to Mark Cody. Mark, I do know you and have had many contacts with you over the last several years. All my inter actions with you were pleasant. I think of you as a nice, honest hard working guy. I like you. I miss talking to you at the races. I am disappointed that you feel the Old Timers is such a horrible club that you don't want to rejoin.

I never was and am not an MX West hater. I never was and am not a Ty hater. I was torn on which way to vote between MXWest and Sierra MX. I liked the idea of a 45 plus class because I am 50 now. I also liked the idea of having a diversity of race tracks. I ultimatly decided about 30 seconds before i had to vote that I would go with the track diversity.

Mark, you made a remark about the track design that was used at our last race. That falls directly on me. I have been doing the track building and grooming for the Old Timers for about 3 years now. I have always been involved with the design. This year the design of the track layout has been pretty much turned over to me completely. It has been decided by the majority of the voting members that our track style is going to lean more towards old school MX. (Since we are old timers and most of us learned to ride dirt bikes in the 60s and 70s). That means more natural style terrian. Less man made style obsticles. More higher speed sections that become naturally whooped as the race progresses. I know not ever racer will like it. If you don't like it, I respect your opinion.

Maybe you should rejoin. Come to the meetings and give me yor opinion and any ideas you might have. Vote your mind. Heated debates are not only tolerated, but encouraged. I am always willing to listen to new ideas. That is how I learn. Maybe together we can improve the sport for everyone.

I have been elected the new treasurer and feel some what responsible for the price setting. I decided to set prices the same as Hawthorn and Honey Lake (35 and 25). Sorry the prices were not pre posted. Until futher notice, those are the prices. Hopefully they will be on the new series flyer.

Very truly yours,
Rick Lloyd, Treasurer of the Nevada Old Timers.

[Diamond Dave]

Rick, I also do not care for the current Fernley terrain. Last fall at the OTMX intl, I was sorry to see the rhythm section get turned in to two baby tabletops. I was just getting the stones to try it on Sunday. I still raced and had a ball.

[gregg86n]

Thanks Layne, maybe one of these days I just might fall in love with you. But for now you'll just have to settle with being my favorite bone head! I hope you are laughing.

[mcody]

Rick thankyou for your outstanding post! Everyone including myself shoud take a lesson from you. As far as the track goes I was venting and it was not against you. I was just really mad that Layne was being attacked that way and I felt it was uncalled for. You do a great job for the club Rick. Maybe in the future with more people like you involved I will be back. Keep up the good work!

Great job on the track Rick, I just wish there were more jumps inthe long straights! They say old guys can't jump but this old guys loves to jump!

[bobjustbob]

Mark;

I received your e-mail with your questions regarding the pricing for the races at the last Nevada Old Timer hosted race at the Fernley International raceway. I made a copy of the e-mail and took it to the Old Timer meeting that was being held that night. I read your e-mail to the club members that were there and it was discussed. The decision that we reached has been posted by Rick Lloyd.

I did not realize that I had a 24 hour time limit to reply to your concerns. I got home late Tuesday night and I had a job meeting at 6am. I had a long day and finally got home at 7:30pm. Answering your question was not a top priority at the time. The Old Timers do not plan to have another race in Fernley until August. I had decided to put off answering you until tonight.

You think that I don’t answer you because you are associated with MXWest. That is not true. If I can help, I will always be happy to respond to promoter related questions. When a post contains derogatory remarks and false accusations it is hardly worth a courteous reply. Now you have chosen to attack me and my club.

You have suggested that I step down from my role in the OTMX. I checked the membership list. Your name is not on it either. It is not your place to make such a suggestion. My elected position as club secretary was voted on. How did you get your position on the MXWest board? I think you were appointed. If you were elected and if I was still a dues paying/card carrying member of MXWest I would go on the MXWestracing website and suggest that you be impeached. But, I don’t post to that website anymore (unless I have to defend myself or Judy or my Old Timer club).

I once asked why the Old Timers, the Gang and the Lovelock MX club should leave MXWest and start a new organization with other promoters. We left a valuable database of rider’s names and years of points keeping. We left an existing computer and software system that we now have to purchase again. We left a treasury with some operating capitol and we have had to start over. The answer I got was that “It’s worth it”. I agree.

I learned what KMA and WTF means in kindergarten. Try this wdytalwoasp (why don’t you take a long walk off a short pier).

Bob Fabel

[rlloyd36n]

Dave,

The six pack rhythm section at last years Fernley OTMX international was my idea and I built it. I loved it. But after the first round on Saturday there was alot of complaints from the other clubs. The reps. got together and voted. I was forced to remove it. Sorry, you probably won't see anything like that again for a while. If I am ever allowed to build it again, I will have to build a bypass.


sincererly,
Rick

[Diamond Dave]

I know. Man, I was rolling that thing on Sat, and woke up ready to "man up and do it" and saw it turned into some tables...

Yes, I still had a ball... ;D

[mcody]

You know something Bob what about Bob! You did not have a 24 hour time frame to respond to me. The reason I put it on here is you had time to attack Layne but not email me with anwers to my questions. Thanks Rick for the Answers! It was also addressed to every board member and not just you. Thank you for asking the question at the meeting. Thank You Rick for your answer. Bob What About Bob have a nice day!

[larry63r]

Rick, I love the tracks that you build for us . I love the tracks that Justin builds for us. I love the fact that every time I race at Fernley the track is different. I miss that big step-up that we had on the back straight three years ago. One of the best parts of the track is the freeway. Every track has jumps. Only the Fern has a 65mph straight! I think it would be cool to have a track with NO jumps. Now that would be different.
My point is that every track should be different. If all the tracks were the same what would be the point of going to different tracks to race? Would Mammoth be so big if it was just like Sac Raceway? I don't think so!

[coolynn]

Well Mr. Bonehead, Close minded, Buck passer I just want to let you know that no matter how badly you get bashed on these sites and for some reason you do oh boy do you. We (Cory & Dave) still adore you ;D Take care and keep supporting your Dad at the races I am sure he appreciates it.

[larry63r]

Here is a list of our Nevada riders that I got off the results that I found on the Washington OT site.

exp - Rod Brock, Mike Ellis, Phil Cochran
exp +60 - Clayton Ross
ama - Dave Pile, Frank Fuller
ama+50 - Paul Mcgourty
ama+60 - Duane Quick, Richard Kolbet
nov - Larry Mulock, Christina Ellis
nov+50 - Rick Lloyd

If everyone had Ns on their plates and their bibs on it would be a lot easer to find them on the track.